A Loaded Question – The Death Penalty

Growing up in Canada, the death penalty is something I’ve heard about but never really affected me.  None of my family were criminals (that I know of!) and even if they were, the death penalty hasn’t been around in Canada for years.

I always knew it happened in the States, I can still remember standing outside of my Junior High School when I heard some of the other kids talking about how Ted Bundy had been executed that day.   I knew what execution meant, I had a vague idea who Ted Bundy was… but I was a 14 year old girl and serial killers in the US weren’t exactly on my radar.   I listened as they all talked about how glad they were that he fried, as I’m sure many others were.  Then I went home and forgot all about it.

A number of times I’ve been around discussions regarding the Death Penalty, listening to people’s opinions and taking in how widely they vary.  For some reason I actively tried NOT to get involved, and I think it it was because I found it confusing and wasn’t sure what my own opinion was.

There is such a wide range of opinions, at least from what I’ve heard.  From people who paint them all with the same brush, seeing them all as a ‘Ted Bundy’ and want them all to fry to others who are not entirely comfortable with the death penalty but feel there has to be an ultimate price to pay so they accept it.  Some feel that it’s wrong to punish murder with murder and feel very strongly against taking a human life, while others are against it because they worry about the system and how often they get it wrong – hence executing innocent men and women.  There are also people who, while they don’t totally disagree with the death penalty itself, don’t feel that those on death row should sit in those conditions for years, decades even, waiting for their execution.

I’ve heard all of these arguments at some time or another but was always successful in avoiding forming one of my own.

Recently I met someone who is involved in an organization based in the UK called Lifelines.   This is a description from their website:

“It gives me life where sometimes life is hard to find, it lets me dream where dreams seem mostly to be only living nightmares.”

There are at present about 50 women and 3,500 men on Death Row in the US. They spend many years awaiting execution.
Almost invariably the prisoners are from poor backgrounds, suffered abuse in childhood and received bad legal representation.
The conditions in which they are held are harsh and dehumanising.
Many are abandoned by their family and friends and have very little, if any, contact with the outside world.
Consequently, letters can be a very real lifeline to them.

When she told me she was involved in an organization that act as pen-friends to death row inmates, I was a bit taken aback.  I was fascinated but a little freaked out at the same time.   I first thought oh god it’s one of those romantic things like you see in the back of magazines where inmates are looking to write to people, ugh.   Then I thought oh no, she’s all religious, this is a thing about saving their souls and no way she’ll want to be my friend once she realizes I’m about as non-religious as they get.

I was intrigued though and my curiosity got the better of me.   We sat there in the small bagel shop while I bombarded her with questions about it.  She was really good natured about it and seemed interested in sharing her opinions with me and telling me what this organization is actually all about.

From their website, on how Lifelines came to be:

LifeLines began in 1988 when its founder Mr. Jan Arriens – a Quaker – watched a BBC documentary, Fourteen Days in May. Jan was so moved by the words of the condemned prisoners who were interviewed, and by the dignity of the man who was to be executed, Edward Earl Johnson, that he wrote to three of the prisoners. They all replied, saying how much his letter had meant to them and how pleased they were to have their voices heard beyond the prison walls.

The more we spoke about it the more curious I got.  She told me how one supporter of Lifelines is Sister Helen Prejean who’s writing about her experience with inmates on death row was the basis for the movie Dead Man Walking.   The movie sounded familiar but I hadn’t seen it, so I filed it away in my memory so I could download it later.

From what I can gather, Lifelines does this not because they all think the death penalty itself is bad, but rather everything surrounding it.  From the astonishing amount of death sentences that later, due to new evidence or better legal representation, end up being over turned to the length of time they sit on death row waiting for their sentence to be carried out.  They are also concerned about the conditions they are kept in during this time.

Sadly, in some of these cases where the sentences are overturned, the inmate had already been executed.  In the case of Edward Earl Johnson, mentioned above, not only had the woman he was accused of rape said it was NOT him, but after his execution a woman came forward to the people who made the documentary claiming she had been with Edward at the time of the crime but when she went to give her testimony a white police officer told her to ‘go home and mind her own business’.

Since talking to my friend about this, I haven’t been able to stop thinking about it.   I have this need to really figure out how I feel about the death penalty and the people who are on death row.   I’m not sure why, I just do… but I’m not sure I’ll ever figure it out.  Probably because there are so many unknown variables.   I’ll never know what really happened with people, or truly understand or trust the United States legal system… I’m starting to think there really is no right answer.   That depending on where you live, who you are and how this all may have touched you personally, your opinion is your opinion and it can’t be right or wrong, can it?

On the one hand I think of someone like Ted Bundy.  Would he have ever deserved someone writing to make his day a little brighter?  How would the families of his victims feel knowing that someone out there was taking the time to try to make his life a little nicer before his execution?  Surely, he deserved to spend his time in solitude, miserable for the things he’s done.  Right?

But then… they aren’t all Ted Bundy’s are they?   Some are truly unfortunate for growing up in poverty with little to no parenting, sometimes mentally challenged in one way or another.   Not to mention lack of legal representation, influences of different legal officials with their own agenda and racial issues.   Some are people who for any number of reasons committed a truly heinous act, and some didn’t at all.

Does this make them not human anymore, though?  Should they be judged based on that one act and have it dismiss all their rights as a human being?   I’m not sure…  is the death penalty really about justice, or is it about revenge?  Is it right for us to punish taking a life with taking a life?  In the end, is it right for those who carry out the executions to do so just because it’s deemed ok by the government?

It’s all so confusing, isn’t it?  Well, maybe not to some who already stand firm in their opinions, but to me it is.  Since talking with my friend I have borrowed books from her, I’ve downloaded Dead Man Walking and have watched the documentary that first brought Lifelines into existence.   I cried at the end of both movies, but maybe that was the intention of those who created them.   Had they been made through the eyes of people who believed in the death penalty I may have seen things very differently.

I’m pretty sure if I spoke to most of my family and friends they would give the ‘fry them all’ speech and then think I was weird for even taking the time to think about this issue, let alone actually considering joining the organization itself… but for some reason it’s touched me and I don’t know why.

Am I crazy for wondering if maybe some of these people deserve more in life than they have?

I don’t know…

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10 comments

  1. There you are! Miss me? Our comp crashed last yoear three times and on the third i lost it all.

    Send me a note and ph number.

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  2. You guys make some very valid points. I still can’t help being troubled by the numbers and facts I read in different websites and articles. I just read an article about it this morning in Metro and it stated the following facts:

    More than 1/3 of the world’s countries have abolished the death penalty. The US ranks in the world’s top 5 executioners along with China, Iran, Pakistan and Saudi Arabia. (Gah)

    Between 1972 and 1976 the death penalty in the US was suspended after it was found to violate the constitution.

    The death sentence is not uniformly applied – just two per cent of murderers actually end up on death row.

    95 per cent of death row prisoners cannot afford their own attorney.

    95 per cent of executions last year were in southern states.

    80 per cent of execution cases involve a white murder victim, even though half of all murder victims are African-American.

    The average length of time between sentencing and execution is more than 12 years.

    The lethal injection involves a drug considered inhumane by the American Veterinary Medical Association and banned in many states for use on animals.

    Those statistics are shocking.

    I agree with Gail’s idea as well. It makes a lot more sense to force them to ‘give back’ rather than just killing them off.

  3. True not everybody is a serial killer, but there are people that can just not be rehabilitated.

    There’s plenty of flaws, agreed.

    However, as for the putting them to work – many people don’t want that because the risk for escape, revenge (not repairing correctly) etc is just too high.

    The reason I hold this opinion is because my brother works in corrections and my grandfather was a sheriff. I’m not sure there’s another solution and yes the evidence should be fairly concrete. However, the system we currently have is better than no system. We trust the jury to make the right choice and so, we let them make it.

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  4. I for one am for it. It bothers me to think that there are people like Paul Bernardo sitting in a Canadian jail having more food then a single mom with 2 kids working a minimum wage job. He for one should be put to death, the evidence is concrete.

    I know the system back home (yup and I mean NL) is lax compared to the US or Canada, but I also find NL TOO lax on many laws.

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  5. I will come on in the next few days and we can chat about it..lol The prison system here is by far better than in the U.S. when it comes to their view on how they need to be treated…however,there is a darker side of it and you’d be amazed as to who is walking the streets right now in this very small country..lol

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  6. I don’t think the penal system is accurate enough to execute a criminal, but my answer to the question of how to deal with them is to make them pay back their debt to society for the rest of their lives through working. I think executing them is actually a waste when they can be made to do things that need to be done (I’m not talking about chain-gangs here, I’m sure that can be avoided) — sorting recycling? Fixing broken school desks? School bus engine repair? Obviously they need to be supervised, but they’re supervised, anyway…

    Don’t let them or their estate reap the benefits of a book deal or provide a free university education. They’ve got lots of time on their hands; surely the state or region where they’re incarcerated can come up with a program that will put them to work to benefit society.

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  7. Living in Texas it is impossible to not have an opinion on this subject and I do of course! I think in a perfect world the death penalty is alright and should be applied but I also think our system is so flawed I would need a confession or irrefutable evidence before I would have a clear conscious with it. I also think it is absurd for these people to sit for decades waiting to die. I will say that when Dubya was governor he did light a fire under that and many death row inmates were put to death much faster than they would have been. I am no fan of his believe me but he was misunderstood on this one, it needed to be done.
    I feel that anyone that commits a crime probably has something wrong with them that a better childhood or a better environment could have helped. There comes a point though when you have to take responsibility for yourself and the decisions you make.

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  8. I think a lot of people aren’t touching this topic with a 10 foot pole :P

    I can totally understand how both of you feel, and I’d probably feel the same if someone did something to one of my family members. I can’t help but think of those who aren’t serial killers though. I’m not sure that all the men and women who find themselves on death row can be compared to the likes of Ted Bundy etc. I’m still really confused hehe

    Sonya – I’d LOVE to hear what goes on here that we don’t know about! My husband often talks about how crime etc isn’t as bad here as in the US and now the prisons aren’t as bad. I always believed him!

  9. I’m an american aswell and you will get alot of different views from us. I am totally 100% for it. I’m not so stupid to think that they havent executed innocent people and the system has it’s flaws. Every innocent person thats being put to death is one to many,but I don’t believe everybody deserves a second chance or that they are all innocent. If something horrible has been done to you or your loved ones,you tend to have a vastly different view on it. It’s a personal thing for each victim but I can tell you without a doubt I would flip the switch myself.As for bad conditions in the prison,I don’t think they should be treated as animals either but atleast they are living and breathing..wich is more than what most of their victims are doing at this point.

    Since living here and having a husband who works in the system here I can also say that it’s not always up to par and there are major issues that need to be addressed in this country AND how much evil has been committed here and how little the average person in this country even knows about.

    I suppose there is no yes or no answer to all of this. For myself I can say that if someone takes the life of my child or husband I would end their life without thinking twice.

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  10. Being from the US, I tend to agree with the death penalty. I think it can be a tough call, however. I have studied serial killers quite in depth as well.

    Ironically, your example, Ted Bundy, strikes close to home. During his killing spree in the 70’s, he came through Salt Lake and even attended university in Utah. A woman who managed to escape him is from Murray, where I live. Do I think he deserved letters to brighten his day? No, I don’t. Did he receive them? Most definitely.

    When I was in school, I came to find out that my teacher went to university with Ted Bundy for awhile. I asked his opinion on the matter and he told me “I was glad the day they executed him.” I think that sentiment is felt by many, considering that not even prison held him in, as he managed to escape.

    I do believe there is room for improvement in any situation. As for the time it takes to be executed – this is due to the automatic appeals process. If a prisoner chooses to drop their appeals, as was the case with Timothy McVeigh, then their execution date comes quickly.

    As for them being held in harsh conditions – I suppose I can’t really form an opinion on that, as each prison is different. I don’t think they should be treated like animals, no. But, I do think they should feel even a tenth of what they made their victim and the victim’s family feel.

    Another example for you to read about that also happened in Utah is the Hi-Fi murders in 1974. Both of the criminals were put to death, though, it took some time due to appeals.

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